Ken Gentry on Historicism and Reformed Theology

Ken Gentry

In this post Ken Gentry explains how many earlier Reformed writers were in error concerning their interpretation of Revelation. Personally, I believe that the Historicist hermeneutic is no more credible than the fanciful exegesis of modern Dispensationalist writers:

Dr. Gentry:

You are committed to the Reformed faith, yet you don’t take the historicist approach to eschatology which was widely held among the Reformers. Why do you not follow the Reformers in this part of their theology. G.K., Minneapolis, Minn.

Dr. Gentry’s response:

Thank you for your inquiry. You are correct that I am committed to Reformed theology. However, I differ from the Reformers in that I take a preterist approach to Revelation rather than an historicist approach. I do so for the following reasons:

First, we should remember that Revelation was not well received among some of the Reformers. Martin Luther, the famed reformer and untiring interpreter of Scripture, originally rejected Revelation as non-canonical, complaining, “My Spirit cannot adapt itself to the book.” In his German translation of the Bible, he complained in the preface to Revelation that the book was “neither apostolic nor prophetic.”

Fellow reformer Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531) refused to take a doctrinal proof-text from Revelation. Calvin himself wrote no commentary on it, despite his writing a very thorough series of commentary on almost all of the Bible.

Second, the Reformers were locked in a literal life-and-death struggle with Romanism. Consequently, they tended to view many judgment passages through the lens of their opposition to Rome. They let application override interpretation in some situations.

Such an exposition is known as an “actualizing interpretation.” “Actualizing interpretations take two forms. In one form the imagery of the Apocalypse is juxtaposed with the interpreter’s own circumstances, whether personal or social, so as to allow the images to inform understanding of contemporary persons and events and to serve as a guide for action” (J. Kovacs and C. R. Rowland, “Revelation: Apocalypse of Jesus Christ” [Oxford: Blackwell, 2004], 9).

Third, historicist expositions of Revelation from that era, the 1500-1600s are impossible today. If you can find an historicist exposition of Revelation from you will quickly observe that they believed Revelation outlined church history up to their own time, when they believed its final prophecies were coming to fulfillment. Just reading an earlier historicist exposition today refutes it.

Kovacs and Rowland note this problem: “Altogether more contentious and daring is the way certain interpreters saw these figures appearing in their own day. For some this reflects a conviction that the last days have come” (Kovacs, 128; referenced above). M. E. Boring seems to be correct when he notes that “although widely held by Protestant interpreters after the Reformation and into the twentieth century, no critical New Testament scholar today advocates this view” (M. Eugene Boring, “Revelation: Interpretation: A Bible Commentary for Teaching and Preaching” [Louisville: John Knox, 1989], 49).

Fourth, by the very nature of the case historicism suffers from a need of constant revision. The historicist school, also called the “continuous historical,” sees the prophetic drama in Revelation as providing a panorama of Church history from the apostolic era to the return of Christ. Historical continuity is the main focus of this approach which forecasts future history. Historicists deem Revelation an “almanac of church history.” Historicists apply the numerous judgment scenes to various wars, revolutions, and socio-political and religious movements (e.g., the rising of Roman Catholicism, the outbreak of the Protestant Reformation, the French Revolution, World Wars I and II), as well as important historical /persons (e.g., various Popes, Charlemagne, Napoleon, Mussolini).

According to Alan Johnson, Joachim of Floris (d. 1202) popularized this view, though traces of it are found earlier in the Ante-Nicene fathers (Johnson, “Revelation” in EBC, 12:409). As noted above, Wycliffe, Luther, Calvin, and the Reformers greatly employed it against the Roman Catholic Church.

The weaknesses, though, are manifold. The position almost always assumes that present interpreters live at the conclusion to history so that all in Revelation leads up to their time just before the end. For instance Mede noted in his commentary: “While I write news is brought of a Prince from the North (meaning Gustavus Adolphus) gaining victories over the Emperor in defence of the German afflicted Protestants.”

Commenting on recurring problems in eschatological debate in general, Brethren historian F. Roy Coad well states: “Almost invariably interpretation has been vitiated by the reluctance or incapacity of commentators to visualise their own age as other than the end time” (F. Roy Coad, “Prophetic Developments: A Christian Brethren Research Fellowship Occasional Paper” [Pinner, England: 1966], 10).

As a consequence, beliefs are in a constant state of revision, especially for Revelation commentators in this school. Consequently, as history has grown longer, older varieties of this interpretive school have experienced a great number of failed expectations. This view long remained “strangely attractive in spite of the recurrent anguish and disappointment it causes” (John Court, “Myth and History in the Book of Revelation” [Atlanta: John Knox, 1979], 7).

Thus, this approach is continually in revision as it proposes more and more constructions based on the supposed prophetic allusions to historic events. For instance, this view was prominent in the Middle Ages when millennialism began to flourish once again. The system was used to show that “the millennium was about to dawn” (Carson, Moo, Morris, “Introduction to the New Testament,” [Zondervan] 482).

Furthermore, its relevance is confined to the Western world, with the progress of history traced only in a western direction (apparently where book sales are most profitable!). In addition, it tends to lose its relevance for its original persecuted audience. Its major problem, though, is that harmony among its proponents is almost wholly lacking due to its subjectivity.

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33 Comments on “Ken Gentry on Historicism and Reformed Theology”

  1. Moses Says:

    The book of Revelation is an epistle. It bears all the marks of an epistle, It is written by John to seven churches. Just like Pauls epistle to the galatians. We need to interpret Revelation just as we do any other NT epistle.
    Were the reformers historicist when they interpreted Romans? Imagine such an interpretation!
    Our hermeneutic should be consistent through out scripture. Gentry makes some good analysis as to why the reformers erred in their hermeneutic of Revelation due to the circumstances of the day. Perhaps futurist’s of today are repeating those mistakes.

    Note: Other NT epistles are clothed in apocolyptic language just as is Revelation.

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  3. Walt Says:

    I’m not sure if this message will get through, but if it is not censored, that would be great. I just read your author’s comments. A couple things concern me; 1) It sounds like he is leading the reader to the presupposition that the Book of Revelations should not be part of Canon. Am I reading this wrong, and he does not want Revelations to be removed from Scripture? Obviously, if the Book of Revelations would be removed it certainly would be helpful to the consistent Preterist position (if such a position is possible). 2) He quotes this author, “M. E. Boring seems to be correct when he notes that “although widely held by Protestant interpreters after the Reformation and into the twentieth century, no critical New Testament scholar today advocates this view” (M. Eugene Boring, “Revelation: Interpretation: A Bible Commentary for Teaching and Preaching” [Louisville: John Knox, 1989], 49).” Actually, I remember in 1989 digging and searching far and wide to uncover any books on the topic (as most were buried in University library basements) and read something beyond Rushdoony and North. Convincing me that no author supported the position in 1989 and therefore somehow it is invalid is like telling me few Presbyterian churches sang exclusive Psalms in 1989 and therefore it is also invalid. I hope this debate continues and is not censored to only one view on the subject, as that position just reminds me of another Church in Rome that censors its detractors.

  4. RK Says:

    “Personally, I believe that the Historicist hermeneutic is no more credible than the fanciful exegesis of modern Dispensationalist writers:”

    I totally agree.


  5. Walt

    Ken Gentry is NOT saying that Revelation is not part of the Canon – this is the precise opposite of what he believes – instead he is pointing out that the book was not received by all of the Reformers as part of the Canon.

    As the owner of this blog I reserve the right to censor comments that are inflammatory. Please moderate your tone towards those who disagree with you.

  6. Colin Says:

    Back in the 1980’s I was an Historicist Amill and briefly an Historicist postmill, before Dr. Gentry and Marcellus Kik and other writers convinced me of the hermeneutical superiority of partial preterism. Yet I still respect the Historicist view and those Reformers and theologians who had taught it and continue to teach it.

    BTW Dr. Gentry gave a strong endorsement and recommendation of a 1990 reprint of Dr. David Brown’s Historicist postmillennial book, “Christ’s Second Coming: Will It Be Premillennial?” [7th edition] . (In addition, Dr. Brown also wrote an historicist postmill exposition of the Book of Revelation called, “The Structire of the Apocalypse”).

    As Partial preterists we ought to respectfully disagree with our Reformed forethers on the hermeneutical issue of Bible prophecy while not comparing their erroneous interpretations and conclusions to the more heretical dispensational hermeneutic. Some Historicists like Robert Fleming and H. Grattan Guiness did go too far in their date setting, but we shouldn’t compare the hermeneutical labors of Historicists like Calvin, J. Edwards, Charles Hodge to modern dispensationalist hermenetics.

    There is also one sense in which Historicism is helpful and necessary, and that is in regards to the Spiritual progress of the Kingdom of God on earth during this present millennium (since the Millennium is inter-Advental, it is thus historicist in prophetic perspective while such passages as Matt 24, and 2 Thess 2, and Revelation 1 to 20 have already been prophetically fulfulled by AD 70). (Jonathan Edwards’s historicist classic, “A History of Redemption” is still well worth reading today).

    A tip of the hat should also go to Dr. F. Nigel Lee who today is the leading Historicist postmill Bible scholar, valiantly carrying the flame of the Reformers on Bible prophecy (despite that view being sufficiently discredited by the many advances in partial preterist studies). (one evidence of this discredit is that Historicism was not even included in one scholarly book dealing with the “Four Views” of Revelation. The one edited by Marvin Pate.

    OTOH another book, “The Book of Revelation: Four Views: A Parallel Commentary” edited by Steve Gregg does include the Historicist view alongside the Preterist, Idealist and Futurist expositions, and gives an excellent comparison of how differing approaches are used when interpreting the Apocalypse.

    One major error that should be opposed and is unfortunately loosely related to Historicism is a view I call, “Hyper-Historicism”. It relationship is the same as hyper-Calvinism is to classical Calvinism. This hyper-historicist error teaches that only Christians who are Historicists are among the Elect. And that anyone who disagrees with the Reformer’s Historicist view on prophecy is not among the elect or regenerate since they’ve allegedly swallowed the “lie” spoken of in 2 Thess 2:11-12. Thankfully, however, very, very few actually espouse this heresy, but those few who do, have zealously done it under the guise and facade of defending classical Historicism. So be aware.

    We partial preterists have to contend against our heretical counter-parts among the “Full preterist” groups, just as the Historicists have to contend against their respective heretical counterparts among the hyper-historicists. We acknowledge Historicists as our Christian brothers, however, we cannot do the same with heretical hyper-historicists who turns Bible prophecy into a works religion (i.e. salvation obtained by having “correct” views on NT Bible prophecy).


  7. Colin

    I am not sure you can be so charitable towards historicist exegesis of Revelation, as their hermenutic basically allows one to interpret the text whatever way he likes.

  8. Walt Says:

    Daniel,

    Thanks for the clarification. I did not think my tone was anything but a bit challenging, and certainly not worthy of rebuke. However, you obviously do have the right to censor my comments and I expect this comment may not likely make it through to your readers. My experience in challenging the errors of preterists on their views often is censored so forgive me when I get a bit frustrated. I used to be (in my own opinion) a blinded contextual follower of preterists until I started reading Scripture.

    In regard to your authors (or any preterist views), the best place to begin with in dealing with their position (if this makes it through without being censored) is by showing them that when Rev 1 tells us that “the time is at hand” and that the events described in the Book of Revelation must “shortly come to pass”, it means that the events described in the Book of Revelation, will shortly “begin to appear in history” ***in succession*** through the succession of the seals, trumpets, and vials; starting from the time of John the Apostle and continuing up to the second coming of Christ and beyond. This is opposed to the preterist mistaken, and often repeated notion, that this text is asserting that all the events described will shortly come to pass, which most preterists take to be descriptive of the events mainly surrounding the destruction of the Temple around 70 AD. Combine this mistake with some who believe all Revelation has been fulfilled and one wonders if they would rather not have the book included in the first place as part of the Canon.

    This mistaken presumption of the preterist “blinds them contextually” to a correct reading of the Book of Revelation. Once they get the context wrong–they simply go from bad to worse. There are many other arguments to go through to convince them but this is as good a place as any to start.

    From there one can typically walk the preterist through Daniel 2 and Daniel 7, showing them how to define the four beasts of Daniel and relate them to the 1260 year period, identifying the “little horn of Daniel” with the Papacy and not Nero.

    I hope I’m moderate enough in my tone, but if not, look at your own writings sometimes before you cast too many stones. Certainly on your website you can use any tone you want, but I have seen you apologize on here before, and my tone did not reach that level in my opinion. I do pray that in the event of another reformation that preterists do not end up with too much control in the civil magistracy as it could be a repeat of history again in some circles for those who openly disagree. Again, my own opinion if it makes it through.


  9. Walt

    I do not feel this is a big enough issue to go to war over, however, comparing me to the Church of Rome because I moderated a comment in which you basically put partial preterists and hyper preterists on a par is uncalled for. Nonetheless, your contribution is appreciated.


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  11. Walt Says:

    Daniel,

    I was not thinking of Rome in the comparison, but more of Cromwell. Many loved what he did, but others found him to be a bit overly zealous with his religious power of over the magistrate. Some called it the great period of toleration, but others see his actions as a bit intolerant. He was passionate about his religious civil power, and indeed showed it as the great “Lord Protector”. As a former Roman Catholic myself, I’m highly critical of their doctrine, discipline, form of worship and government…and would never compare you to them. Preterists have adopted some of their eschatological teachings, but my discussions with their Priests and Bishops have a higher level of critical concerns as I watch them take my parents into the pits of Hell using their wicked traditions. There is nothing that stirs me up more than the Mother of all Harlots and some of her daughters who practice her traditions. No offense meant as many people have fond memories of Cromwell, as did Rushdoony. I’m not sure about North’s views, but few would be so critical of Cromwell as me.

    Walt.


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  13. irishanglican Says:

    Hi to Ken Gentry, I remember you from the HOB!

    Fr. Robert


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  15. Walt Says:

    For those interested in the subject, I address a controversial sample verse between the Preterist and historical Post-mill student of Scripture.

    The list of reformers used in the essay above to refute historical post millennialism should not be considered the litmus test for biblical eschatology…and to lead the reader to think that because, as stated in point #1, “First, we should remember that Revelation was not well received among some of the Reformers.” and support this view with the comment, “Calvin himself wrote no commentary on it, despite his writing a very thorough series of commentary on almost all of the Bible.” does not give the reader a fair balance. In fact, because Calvin (by God’s providence) did not write a commentary on the book of Revelation should not bear testimony against the historical post-mill doctrine. In fact, eschatology was definitely not a strong subject for Calvin which is obvious by his misunderstanding of Romans 11 and numerous old testaments passages in relation to the restoration of the Jews.

    As I mentioned above, one can look at Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 to define the four beasts of Daniel and identify the “little horn of Daniel” with the Papacy and not Nero.

    For example: Daniel 7 :23-27

    “Thus he said, The fourth beast (the Roman Empire-Walt) shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another (little horn-by partial preterist system -Nero) shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he (Nero-Walt) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his (Nero’s-Walt) hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. But the judgment shall sit, and they (the Church of Christ) shall take away his (Nero’s) dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.”

    Usually the preterists, at least the ones who interpret the little horn as Nero, should see at this point that their position needs serious reconsideration and that it is beyond absurd to interpret Nero as the little horn. The saints did not take away Nero’s dominion, but instead they continued to suffer under Nero and his successors until the time of Constantine…at which time…the sixth seal was poured out and God judged heathen Rome and blessed the Christian Church.

    Obviously the Roman Catholic Church loves the Preterist system of eschatology, and and certainly there is much evidence they are the originators of this theory. It really has zero bearing on the subject to line up all the Reformers who taught the subject, and systematically discredit their positions…this is no better than the method used by Rome to undermine and lead astray her followers. Nothing better in the first part of every argument to discredit those who were alleged to have been authors and supporters of a view, even if in reality they clearly promoted error on the subject.

    The full preterist is really the only **consistent** preterist view in my opinion, but once you remove the entire book of Revelation from our generation in the study of end things, I think you loose your followers quickly. The partial preterist view is one which can sell books and tapes, and certainly appeal to those who don’t have time to read Scripture. When our moderator writes, “Personally, I believe that the Historicist hermeneutic is no more credible than the fanciful exegesis of modern Dispensationalist writers:” and someone confirms, “I totally agree.” it is time to ask for some clarification on Rev. 1 and Daniel 7 by the partial preterist.

    I’m leaving town for a week, but would be delighted to see the proper preterist views expounded on the subject. It is always possible I will return to my preterist views from where I am today. I don’t think I could ever return to dispensationalism as that is also a Romish invention, but let’s see what our modern reformed covenanters can do to make me come back to the mother Church on this subject. I’m all eyes and ears (if this post makes it through).

  16. irishanglican Says:

    The Historicist position alone appears to be dead as to the Book of Revelation. But as RC Sproul says: “Patience and humility are needed when one confronts disagreement on these matters.”

  17. irishanglican Says:

    And “dispensationalism” a Romish invention? Not just because of some far off Jesuit, no not hardly. They called John Wesley a Jesuit in his time also.


  18. Walt

    You need to stop this foolish talk. The Roman Catholic “Church” [and for the record, I believe it is a Satanic cult] also believes in the Trinity and the Deity of Christ. Should we reject those doctrines as well?

    Actually, the saints did take away Nero’s dominion, as their sufferings provoked the Lord to judge him by removing him. They obtained the victory over Nero through their sufferings.

    Even if you hold that the Papacy is the little horn of Daniel, that still does not mean that one must adopt a historicist view of Revelation, which is completely fanciful. Pick up 20 historicist commentators on different passages in Revelation, and you are likely to get 20 different answers. Why? Because the hermeneutic is so subjective that one may interpret it any way they like.

    I would also suggest that you revise your philosophy of history; Rome is not in charge of history, nor is Satan. If you grasped this then your conspiracy theory approach to anyone who dares to question the rightness of your beloved dogma might stop.

    Moreover, you do not seem to realize that I could just as easily turn around and say that the Statists love the histroricist system, because it keeps Protestants obsessed with Rome, while the Messianic State leads their nations to apostasy.

  19. irishanglican Says:

    I am not a RC, but how can a “satanic cult” preach both the Trinity of God and the Divinity of Christ? This is poor logic I am afraid. The Roman Church has certain errors, like really all western churches. The nature of the Church is always pilgrim in a fallen world, but there is the authentic and original Apostolic witness…Acts 2:42, in both Scripture and Tradition. And it also stands upon the Oecumenical Councils.


  20. Irish Anglican

    Rome might well subscribe to some orthodox doctrines, like the Trinity and the Deity of Christ, nevertheless, its heretical view of justification (Gal. 1:6-9), and its idolatrous doctrine of the Mass puts it outside the pale of Christian orthodoxy. In my opinion, it is not a true Church of Christ, and has not been since Trent

    Walt (again)

    You should note that you are asking us to embrace an interpretation of Dan. 7 that NOBODY in the whole visible NT church – after the canon of Scripture was completed – could have embraced for HUNDREDS of years.

    The comparison with hyper-preterism is nonsense, as this denies the bodily resurrection, and so is outside of Christian orthodoxy. However, a particular interpretation of Revelation is not a mark of orthodoxy. The idea that preterism only appeals to those who do not “have time to read Scripture” is rubbish – and you know it is. Do you believe that anything in Biblical prophecy refers to 70 AD? If so, then you have at least embraced some of the teaching of partial preterism.

    As for the historical reference, tell me, do you believe that Christ is Mediatorial King of the Nation? If so, then you contradict the teachings of Samuel Rutherford and George Gillespie.

    I believe Rutherford and Gillespie were wrong, as did later Covenanters like William Symington, but this poses a problem for the Steelite claim of absolute sucession with the early Covenanters.

  21. irishanglican Says:

    Daniel Ritchie – Well your position is old school Protestant, but then that is what you are. I am Irish born myself (raised RC) but educated English. I am an Anglican rector, over 20 years now. I am cannot share your views, though Rome has formally the doctrine of the papacy, it is hardly fuctional in the old school in that. And there are many both lay and clerical, that practice a certain biblical faith. Perhaps by your definition of the older Mass you could still call it “idolatrous”, but now the Roman Mass has some wiggle room since Vat. II. I am much more Anglican, but with an eastern and certain Orthodox understanding. Justification is not just forensic. Even Galatians shows that – Gal. 6:15-16. In my opinion the old ideas of both those of Protestant verses R. Catholic, and vice-versa need to be seen in the light of both modernism and postmodernism, etc. We in reality have much more in common than the fallen and secular world that surrounds us. The great reality of the Trinity of God and the incarnate Christ should move us all to see and seek to stand against the world, etc. Rather than each other, at least in the deepest sense. The great mystery and doctrine of God should fill us all with awe and wonder. In the end, evil cannot stand and is not ontological.

    Fr. Robert


  22. Rome’s doctrine of justification explicitly brings in our own good works as being the ultimate grounds of our justification. There may be SOME Roman Catholics who are true Christians, but if that it the case, it is because they are not good Roman Catholics.

    While it may be tempting to look to Rome for help in the fight against secular humanism, it is help we do not need.

  23. irishanglican Says:

    Well mate, you have got your hard lines drawn, nothing left for you to do but stay on that line…and see where it ends?


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  25. Colin Says:

    Daniel,

    My charity towards Historicism is more based on my deep respect for our reformation and puritan forefathers, despite not being able to accept much of their exegesis in the area of NT Bible prophecy and conclusions.

    As for the historicist hermeneutic itself, while it certainly could be abused in the way that you suggest, I don’t think it has been abused in that way historically since the hermeneutic has given a more or less consistent and distinctive singular approach and conclusion to interpreting Revelation, unlike Dispensationalist Futurism which has given many different and conflicting prophetic conclusions over the years (e.g. the constantly changing identity of the antichrist and the beast, and the constantly changing date for the 2nd Coming, etc).

    Thus I hesitate to caricature aberrant Historicism to the level of heretical Dispensationalism.

  26. irishanglican Says:

    Colin,

    There is no need as you say to caricature something that was thought useful once, and now is known to be deficient. The doctrine of God does not change, but our culture and ways of understanding some what do. The risen but still Incarnate Christ lives above, on the Throne of God. Christ Jesus, the true Image of God, is the true and only origin and destiny of man in Christ.

  27. Walt Says:

    Daniel,

    After reading your comments, I can only suggest and encourage you to get into reading the Scriptures to see these things as your arguments are totally off point. The reason I do not follow the partial-inconsistent path of preterism is because it is founded by Rome, and consistent full-preterism is absolutely impossible to comprehend in light of Scripture. The reason I support the Trinity and Diety of Christ has nothing to do with Rome, but with Scripture and my subordinate standards. It is you that appeal to all these authors that lead you astray as a schoolboy desiring to please his professors. I seek to please nobody and certainly am not trying to make my living as a religious author. Your disagreement with Gillespie and Rutherford have no bearing on me, and your views as a “reformed covenanter” do not bother me. I am not out here seeking to win votes from anyone to support my views, but am rather spending as much time as I am able to read and learn the Scriptures primarily, and identify the distinctions made by many of our forefathers on certain passages. Unfortunately, as I’m sure you would agree, I gave up reading North and Rushdoony many years ago as presently not worthy of my study. Perhaps one day I will go back to their writings and bring myself current with your views. I will not be posting here again as I recognize this will not be a biblical exegetical discussion. It is clear to me that it is a waste of both our times, plus when the moderator controls the tool to publish (or not) my comments, I have found it best to walk away.


  28. Walt

    Reading the text of Scripture would never in a million years encourage me to adopt a historicist interpretation of Revelation; the imagery points to a bill of divorce for apostate Israel, as the curses of the covenant are poured out upon them.

    The reason I support a preterist reading of prophecy has nothing to do with Rome either, but with sound exegesis of Scripture, considering what the text meant to the original audience, not reinterpreting the text in light of peculiar historical situations.

    Your argument reminds me of the (non-Reformed) Baptist line that we should not be paedo-Baptists because it comes from Popery.

    “It is you that appeal to all these authors that lead you astray as a schoolboy desiring to please his professors.” That is just uncharitable nonsense; how do you know that I am seeking to please Ken Gentry and Gary North? Read the Larger Catechism on the Ninth Commandment. I have listened to Greg Price and others on these issues, and came to see that the hermenuetical principles being employed were unsound. It should be noted that I became interested in Preterism BEFORE I looked into Theonomy. Moreover, Rushdoony was not a preterist, but an Idealist.

    The idea that Gary North and RJ Rushdoony are “unworthy of your study” is just prideful. You need to read Chapter 26 of the WCF. Tell me, who else is writing on the type of Christian worldview themes that these men have written on?

  29. irishanglican Says:

    Daniel,

    Have you seen or read any of GK Beale’s book? The NIGTC – The Book of Revelation. It takes the view of an eclective Redemptive-Historical form of a modified Isealism.

  30. irishanglican Says:

    *Idealism (sorry me poor type)


  31. I have not read that particular book, though every commentary I have read on Revelation has been idealist. I’m sure it would be a good read though (and perhaps an expensive one).

  32. Ken Says:

    What is the RC interpretation of the Apocalyse, (Book of Revelation) It sounds a bit like Dr Gentry’s one or am i wrong?


  33. I am not sure there is one.


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